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They are Italian. But most of the "engineering" expertise seems to be based in Germany, and "tuning" expertise in the U.S.

Parent company is named "AlienTech", they produce an almost identical unit - called a "Powergate" - for the automobile industry.


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Thyats an interesting spread of labour :)
 
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Thyats an interesting spread of labour :)
Kind of makes sense...

Nobody "engineers" better than the Germans, and the Americans practically invented "hot-rodding".

What makes the least sense is the Italian ownership!! :)

And I'm sure that the electronics were actually built in Asai, somewhere.
 
Kind of makes sense...

Nobody "engineers" better than the Germans, and the Americans practically invented "hot-rodding".

What makes the least sense is the Italian ownership!! :)

And I'm sure that the electronics were actually built in Asai, somewhere.
Being Italian I can only assume there is a family link with Ducati somewhere as Rexxer do seem popular among the Ducati tuning crowd :)
 
Just wanted to thank Tony for posting all this stuff logically and so that mere mortals can comprehend it. I want a Rexxer unit as soon as I can afford one and have time to play with one.
 
Just wanted to thank Tony for posting all this stuff logically and so that mere mortals can comprehend it. I want a Rexxer unit as soon as I can afford one and have time to play with one.
Agreed the info Tony has provided has been an eye opener to myself. I had no intention of doing any tuning but the past few days I have come to realize I need to look after my engine as I want to keep this bike for good.
 
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IMO, the build quality of the Termi is poor.

AND...

It will cost you almost twice as much as a decent aftermarket pipe with mapping.

AND...

The aftermarket pipe and mapping will out-perform it by a considerable margin.
 
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Outperform is relative, it's an air cooled 803 SOHC, shrug. You said yourself the clutch will end up slipping without even going too crazy. Price is also high, yes, but shrug 2; what's $1400 on a $10,000 bike? It's a breath of fresh air to me as opposed to the superbike prices. I'm almost certain you have some sort of working relationship with REXXOR for the amount of plugging you do, if not I apologize and I'll GFMS.
 
If you have not followed the Termi thread.Aafew broken resonators makes me think I was smart not going that direction. Finally rode with the new pipe feels a little snappier on top low speed some popping. The midrange feels a little flat. Sounds nice and feels like a proper Ducati
 
If you have not followed the Termi thread.Aafew broken resonators makes me think I was smart not going that direction. Finally rode with the new pipe feels a little snappier on top low speed some popping. The midrange feels a little flat. Sounds nice and feels like a proper Ducati
You're correct, I also did not purchase one of the slip-ons. I inspected the full before purchase, and it's hard to **** it up with a simple straight muffler and some headers. As long as the welds are solid, there's not much else that could fail. I prefer Akrapovic myself, but they're always late to the game. There's nothing wrong with buying something else, I went with the full Termi for ease of use and the included UPMAP. As far as the failures go, that's pretty Italian.

And yes, this bike feels pretty sloppy with the stock muffler/cat.
 
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Outperform is relative, it's an air cooled 803 SOHC, shrug. You said yourself the clutch will end up slipping without even going too crazy. Price is also high, yes, but shrug 2; what's $1400 on a $10,000 bike? It's a breath of fresh air to me as opposed to the superbike prices. I'm almost certain you have some sort of working relationship with REXXOR for the amount of plugging you do, if not I apologize and I'll GFMS.
Seriously?

I have no "relationship" with the people at Rexxer that has compensated me in ANY fashion.

I have purchased EVERYTHING related to my recent mappings entirely from my own funds - and at full retail pricing.

In addition, I have gone to great lengths - in every post I have made on the subject - to point out that there are also alternate ways to address the fueling issues (eg; power commander, etc.)

In my last post in this thread, the one that you have seemingly gotten so "defensive" about, I criticized Termi's build quality and the lack of effectiveness of the accompanying up-key map, along with the expense required. I fully stand behind that criticism as it is well deserved. Many have reported manufacturing defects with this exhaust (whistling, internal welds breaking, etc.), and the lack of performance from the supplied mapping is also well known.

I made absolutely no mention of Rexxer in that post.

You made the conscious decision to go the "Termi" route, your choice - your bike, I'm sure you are happy with it.

But don't get all upset when someone points out viable alternatives to this - ones that actually have tangible benefits - in order to help others be informed.

You don't know me (obviously) but I am the absolute antithesis of a "fanboy" of ANY particular manufacturer or vendor. I'm naturally skeptical of them all - equally - and only make recommendations when the results warrant.
 
No need to defend yourself or your point of view, I said if I was wrong I'd GFMS; and to each their own. Let's hug it out?

Don't get me wrong, I think most of the OEM stuff is ****. I'm just saying it's not THAT bad. I agree with all your points on mapping, never in dispute. I'm just so skeptical personally on the ROI with this bike with regards to performance.
 
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ROI?

A full 10% increase in performance is easily obtained with less than $1000 total investment.

10% is a pretty significant number.

For those not looking for performance, $300 gets you a bike that is actually fueled properly, eliminating the "snatchiness" and low speed stumbling so many have complained about (I'm not is this camp). Plus the bike runs cooler and will be more reliable - long term.

It's kind of funny that you stated that a $1400 outlay was "nothing" in regard to a $10k bike, but now you are questioning ROI.


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ecu

hi, i have the shift tech slip on exhaust on my FT scrambler. i dont know where the ecu is . can you please explain to me how i remove it from the bike ? then would i ship it to redline for reflashing? i would really appriciate your advice and time.
thamk you
Michael Carrera
 
What about the clutch?

Tony, Thanks for all the good info. Last time I heard from you about the Rexxer unit you still had your O2 sensors enabled. Thanks for posting the US Rexxer link, it does look much more user friendly. What about the clutch issue though?You previously stated that it couldn't keep up with only a 8 hp and 3.6 ft/lb increase. It is apparent that with a more open intake that much greater gains are possible. Have you upgraded your clutch? Barnett makes clutch packs and springs compatible with the Ducati 796. I haven't seen the Scrambler listed on there site. I had also been planning on getting a Rexxer user unit but am waiting to decide what type of intake I am going to purchase. And if I get a more open intake will my clutch hold up, or will I have to upgrade the clutch. Have you heard of other problems of clutches slipping badly when approaching a 10% increase in hp and torque. Intake express is claiming 25% gains so there must be a solution. What are your thoughts? :)
 
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hi, i have the shift tech slip on exhaust on my FT scrambler. i dont know where the ecu is . can you please explain to me how i remove it from the bike ? then would i ship it to redline for reflashing? i would really appriciate your advice and time.

thamk you

Michael Carrera

The ECU is located under the seat, just in front of the storage area, it looks like this...

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I would contact David at Redline before proceeding.


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Tony, Thanks for all the good info. Last time I heard from you about the Rexxer unit you still had your O2 sensors enabled. Thanks for posting the US Rexxer link, it does look much more user friendly. What about the clutch issue though?You previously stated that it couldn't keep up with only a 8 hp and 3.6 ft/lb increase. It is apparent that with a more open intake that much greater gains are possible. Have you upgraded your clutch? Barnett makes clutch packs and springs compatible with the Ducati 796. I haven't seen the Scrambler listed on there site. I had also been planning on getting a Rexxer user unit but am waiting to decide what type of intake I am going to purchase. And if I get a more open intake will my clutch hold up, or will I have to upgrade the clutch. Have you heard of other problems of clutches slipping badly when approaching a 10% increase in hp and torque. Intake express is claiming 25% gains so there must be a solution. What are your thoughts? :)

My clutch issues were solved with some simple "roughing" of the friction plates. Every bike will be different, my suspicion is that my particular setup was a little on the "weak" side.

When you start modifying for performance, and those mods are restricted to intake / exhaust / fueling (as opposed to going into the motor itself) then there is a finite amount of "potential" to be had.

You can tune for peak torque, or peak HP, or any combination of both, but the total gains possible have limits.

It's interesting to look what Intake Express has done so far, their goal was obviously to get he most torque - and the gains are impressive - bit if you look you will see that it comes at the expense of HP gains. They only were able to add 1 hp over base while doing so.

The modifications undertaken where also pretty radical and extensive, requiring massive rework / replacement of the entire intake system.

My opinion is that the Scrambler motor is pretty torquey already, so I opted for a more balanced approach.

At the end of the day, I gained about 8hp, but the real benefit is the way the bike runs overall now. Torque has also been increased, but more moderately, and the fueling has been improved immensely. The power delivery is smooth and linear, through the the entire rev range, and the motor runs measurably cooler.


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