[injidup]

Just looking at the Ducati website (as you do) and found the specs for the Monster 796, which has the same 803cc engine as the Scrambler.
It makes 87hp compared to 75hp of the Scrambler. The Scrambler has a bigger throttle body.
How is the Scrambler restricted? Is it just in the ecu?
Is there an easy way to bring it up to Monster power specs? An extra 12hp would certainly make a difference!

 

[matty]

I assume you just need to get it remapped??

 

[Asador]

Just looking at the Ducati website (as you do) and found the specs for the Monster 796, which has the same 803cc engine as the Scrambler.
It makes 87hp compared to 75hp of the Scrambler. The Scrambler has a bigger throttle body.
How is the Scrambler restricted? Is it just in the ecu?
Is there an easy way to bring it up to Monster power specs? An extra 12hp would certainly make a difference!

They made changes to the cam and added Ducati's 11-degree valve overlap. Result is a smoother engine with less hp.

 

[Doc59]

Doesn't the Monster also have dual throttle bodies whereas the Scrambler is single.

 

[JET]

Doesn't the Monster also have dual throttle bodies whereas the Scrambler is single.

Yes!

 

[Jerry Winder]

I'm intrigued as to why people want more power from the Scrambler. It's pretty quick off the mark and any increase in power isn't going to make that much difference to acceleration and it's hard work at anything above about 80mph anyway. Most people can't use the power the Scramblers got as standard so can anybody tell me what the fascination is?

Jerry

 

[silverluxe]

For me it seems promising that the scrambler will be a long-term reliable engine since it's not built for bleeding edge performance.

 

[AnotherHobby]

I'm intrigued as to why people want more power from the Scrambler. It's pretty quick off the mark and any increase in power isn't going to make that much difference to acceleration and it's hard work at anything above about 80mph anyway. Most people can't use the power the Scramblers got as standard so can anybody tell me what the fascination is?

I couldn't agree more, Jerry.

 

[outofthebox]

there is a simpler & safer solution to get those extra 12 ponies without any mods or tweaks - buy a M796 (or 821) instead.

 

[Janek]

I'm intrigued as to why people want more power from the Scrambler. It's pretty quick off the mark and any increase in power isn't going to make that much difference to acceleration and it's hard work at anything above about 80mph anyway. Most people can't use the power the Scramblers got as standard so can anybody tell me what the fascination is?

Jerry

People will always try to make something faster even if it's fast enough. It's just for fun not for usage

 

[PureEntropy]

Doesn't the Monster also have dual throttle bodies whereas the Scrambler is single.

Why would dual throttle bodies increased the HP? Just curious.

 

[silverluxe]

Better airflow and the intake isn't fighting to provide air in proper timing with two cylinders?

I don't claim to know anything about Ducati, but in my brain having discreet intakes for an air-cooled engine that runs one cylinder up front where it logically is cooler than the rear, you could tune for different fuel mixtures.

Then again, people ride Harleys with one carburetor and a hot rear cylinder. I've never understood how it worked properly as a guy who has always ridden bikes with all of the cylinders getting the same amount of airflow.

 

[RamblingPath]

I'm intrigued as to why people want more power from the Scrambler. It's pretty quick off the mark and any increase in power isn't going to make that much difference to acceleration and it's hard work at anything above about 80mph anyway. Most people can't use the power the Scramblers got as standard so can anybody tell me what the fascination is?

Jerry

I was deciding between the 821 and this bike. Money was not a limiting factor. One test ride,and I knew the power delivery and character was right (for my riding)

I have owned a M796, most people spent $$ on ECU mappings and sprockets to get it this smooth in town. Now people wish the other direction. :laugh:.

I tend to do 400 mile trips on the weekend. Usually on the slab to get to the scenic back roads or hook up with other riders and then back. There is the posted limit and the real traffic moving speed. The 821 would be nice for getting there, but it's the scrambler that I would want when I was there.

It's not HP. The bike has plenty. A windshield will help. As will getting down on the tank.

It's the gearing.

Bubba Satori was nice enough to post this link http://www.ducatiscramblerforum.com...on/9714-gearing-commander-has-scrambler.html#.

The scrambler has much larger rear sprocket than the M796. So, for same RPM you are going about 10 - 15 mph less. Or at the same speed and gear, about 500 - 600 RPM more. Roughly. It's noticeable in moving from one bike to the other. Your brain says the engine at this rpm, so I should be moving this fast. Gives the impression of flogging the bike, or pedaling real fast in the granny gear of your bicycle.

A higher top end (at a lower rpm) would be nice for that boring transit. A magic overdrive mapping button.

I'd said I would put a couple thousand on her first before any modifications. I'm thinking a few ergo changes will be the best bang for the buck, and I am waiting for others to experiment first. . I expect some will drop the rear sprocket from a 46 to a 43.

Now if I want more HP, I do know a qualified tech head who can drop in an 1100 in the scrambler > or get a bigger garage.

 

[silverluxe]

I'd keep the Scrambler and get an Aprilia Tuono to sit next to if it money is no option

 

[RamblingPath]

Nice, and here I'm trying not to catch Multiple Bike Syndrome . Need more track days before I go up in spec (first was last year).

 

[silverluxe]

I can find something to love in a LOT of different motorcycles, so instead of trying to force one bike to be something else, I'm always in favor of owning a wide range of what ever you can afford. I think it's weird to see people cover a bike like this in luggage and windshields. That or try to complain about its off road capabilities next to a KTM.

It's a niche bike that fills a pretty general cross section of 'motorcycling' which I think is cool, but a lot of specialty people don't like that it isn't a drop-in replacement for their [sport bike, street legal dirt bike, cruiser].

For me it perfectly fills the shoes of my former bike (TW200 that I ran street tires on.) I look forward to nimble cornering, riding in traffic, wandering back alleys, and a general born-to-be-mild sense about myself. I have a few accessories planned already, but my bike will never be worthy of a Ducati Corse sticker or an ADV sticker.

 

[littleowl]

Love this bike as it is, well mostly . If you are wanting a higher powered bike then why not go for one? The Scrambler is what it is and it doesn't pretend to be anything else. But for me it pretty much ticks all the boxes

 

[DJKham]

It's a luxury to have multiple bikes -different tools for different jobs, but the reality is that it isn't always possible (financially or otherwise).

The Scrambler can do a pretty good job as a "Swiss army knife" of sorts, depending on what jobs you have for it.

It won't ever be as good as a dirtbike in the mud, it won't ever be as fast as a sportbike on the street/track, it won't do miles like a bagger on the superslab.

Instead, you get a bike that's pretty good at most of those things and more versatile than any one of the specialized tools that would excel in any of those environments.

Vs the Scrambler, the M796 gives up (everything) off the beaten path but is more proficient on the track. A 1299 Pani is great on the track...but mostly miserable everywhere else.

 

[DenverDuc]

Here's what I had about the comparison in another unrelated thread:

I'll chime in here as well because I have a Monster 796 that's currently parked about 2 feet away from my Scrambler. I agree that the motor in the Scrambler has a completely different character and feels like a different engine when compared to the Monster.

The first and most obvious difference is off the line power/gearing - the Monster has 15T front sprocket and 39T rear sprocket from the factory. On the stock Monster, the gearing is so tall that letting out the clutch in first gear and not giving it any gas has you going about 8-10mph at idle. When you're working in traffic you're constantly slipping the clutch and keeping your right hand very busy with the throttle to keep it smooth. Also in tight canyon work, I've actually found myself downshifting all the way to first gear on the Monster which is something I honestly can't recall doing on the 50+ other street bikes I've ridden. However, on the freeway in 6th gear at 70mph it's turning at a comfortable ~4k rpms and is surprisingly great on the highway with a tank bag to rest on. The power delivery is quite different as well. It's not as peaky as a superbike, but you feel a little power off idle, a lot in the midrange and a good bit up top then it signs off quickly about 1k before redline.

On the Scrambler, the factory gearing right off the bat is WAY lower at 15T front sprocket and 46T in the back!! That is a massive difference and is readily obvious. You can quite honestly let the clutch out and idle around at ~3mph without feeling like the bike is going to stall. When you get on the throttle at idle it lurches forward with seemingly all of its power available down low, then there's a good midrange, and seemingly nothing much above that (though I haven't redlined it or ridden it too hard yet since I'm not done breaking it in). Probably the biggest difference though is on the freeway - the Scrambler is up around 5.5k rpm at 70 mph where the Monster is at least 1k lower rpms at the same speed.

Probably the easiest way I can boil the difference down to is that on the Monster I'm always wishing for a gear below first that's lower, and I have a feeling I'll wish the Scrambler had a taller gear above 6 They're both excellent and tons of fun, but they are noticeably different. I dread heavy stop and go traffic on the Monster, but it's a non-issue on the Scrambler. As soon as I get some real canyon carving in on the Scrambler, I'll be able to see which I think is better for those duties, but I have a feeling that in the end I'll come away with saying the Scrambler is more of a do it all bike while the Monster is a good bit sportier.

 

[RamblingPath]

Fully agree with silverluxe. No bike will be the every bike.

We all have a list of mods to enhance our enjoyment and some are just for bragging rights (which is part of the fun), but in the end the bike is still going to be a scrambler not a panigale.

I would say not a monster, but in some ways I consider the scrambler closer to the original monsters than the latest versions.

By windshield, I would consider the dart too big. Cowl, deflector? The offical one looks fashionable though, not functional.
And I hope I never see a large cruiser windshield on a scrambler. Anyway, The age ol question. Take it in the head or the chest