[frankd123]

Anyone find any info on what ECU is in the Scrambler, and whether it is built into the throttle body or not? I don't know much about the old Monster...haven't researched it that much. Anyway, any info would be helpful.

Wondering if Dynojet will be coming out with anything for the scrambler. The full Termi exhaust with PC could be pretty sweet. Re-mapping the ECU in addition to a PC is the way to go, not just a PC.

My 13' V7 Stone was remapped but couldn't take a PC because the ECU is built into the throttle body and Dynojet said it was too difficult to make one for it. No 02 sensors either with my re-map, completely bypassed them. Looked better too...no wires sticking out of the exhaust, just put bungs in them. EVAP canister was thrown out as well. No cold starts whatsoever...bike fired right up and was ready to go within seconds.

I'm hoping the Scrambler will be/can be made to have great fueling. Once you're used to great fueling/no lean issues...you don't want to go back to that, at all.

 

[idaka]

ECU is a Siemens M3C.
If you remap your ECU, a PowerCommander is not necessary.
I even think,the remap is the better solution,because a PowerCommander only changes the fuelmap.By reflashing you can also change the IgnitionMap,kick Lambda-Sensors off,etc.
Tools for Flashing the M3C ECU are at work...

 

[frankd123]

ECU is a Siemens M3C.
If you remap your ECU, a PowerCommander is not necessary.
I even think,the remap is the better solution,because a PowerCommander only changes the fuelmap.By reflashing you can also change the IgnitionMap,kick Lambda-Sensors off,etc.
Tools for Flashing the M3C ECU are at work...

Thanks for the info. A PC isn't a replacement for a remapped ECU, and vice-versa. They each work better when both are working simultaneously. A remapped ECU with a PC will provide a better running bike than one with just a remapped ECU, and a PC without a remapped ECU won't work as well as one with a remapped ECU. The PC provides real-time air/fuel corrections that a remapped ECU on its own simply can't do.

But like you say, it's netiher here nor there. I'm not that finicky about any of it and honestly don't like adding too much electronics.

 

[dukes]

Good to know those reflashing tools are indeed in the works, can't wait for them to come out, but wouldn't they void the warranty?

 

[idaka]

Sure,you void the waranty.
But i dont care, because i had great success by remapping the ECU of my SF.
If you work carefully, you dont harm the engine.

@ frank:
"The PC provides real-time air/fuel corrections that a remapped ECU on its own simply can't do."

OK, you are talking about Powercommander plus Autotune.
So, you need two add-on modules, the Powercommander plus the Autotune.

Autotune remaps real time during riding the Air/Fuel mixture.If you dont change components,like adding an open exhaust, you get an optimized map after a few rides.
Same you can do with remapping the ECU on a Dyno:Optimized Map without extra Piggy-Back Systems.

I dont like the Add-on electronics.

Cheers

 

[frankd123]

Sure,you void the waranty.
But i dont care, because i had great success by remapping the ECU of my SF.
If you work carefully, you dont harm the engine.

@ frank:
"The PC provides real-time air/fuel corrections that a remapped ECU on its own simply can't do."

OK, you are talking about Powercommander plus Autotune.
So, you need two add-on modules, the Powercommander plus the Autotune.

Autotune remaps real time during riding the Air/Fuel mixture.If you dont change components,like adding an open exhaust, you get an optimized map after a few rides.
Same you can do with remapping the ECU on a Dyno:Optimized Map without extra Piggy-Back Systems.

I dont like the Add-on electronics.

Cheers

You void the warranty even if you buy the Termignoni exhaust with the new map? Can't be...

 

[vij]

Sure,you void the waranty.
But i dont care, because i had great success by remapping the ECU of my SF.
If you work carefully, you dont harm the engine.

@ frank:
"The PC provides real-time air/fuel corrections that a remapped ECU on its own simply can't do."

OK, you are talking about Powercommander plus Autotune.
So, you need two add-on modules, the Powercommander plus the Autotune.

Autotune remaps real time during riding the Air/Fuel mixture.If you dont change components,like adding an open exhaust, you get an optimized map after a few rides.
Same you can do with remapping the ECU on a Dyno:Optimized Map without extra Piggy-Back Systems.

I dont like the Add-on electronics.

Cheers

Spot on there.

Why pay a lot of money to add some thing that does not make it better. Adding a PC to manipulate your fuel map is like adding sugar to food because it is to much salt from the start or removing curry if it is to much pepper.

If you have a fuel map that is not bad to start with (never happens on Ducatis ) that does not have any massive mistakes in it and does not use a lambda then you can make a good fuel map with a PC. Still you can make a better map by just mapping the ECU correct.

The autotune function is always a thing that you should stay away from. It creates delays in the system. It can create surges. It is not very reliable and even if it was reliable how would you set it up? What would your AFR targets be at each individual throttle and rpm setting?

A proper map in the ECU is always better and most of the times cheaper but then on the other hand flashing the ECU does not give you a cool add on box.

Jocke..............

 

[Jerry Winder]

You void the warranty even if you buy the Termignoni exhaust with the new map? Can't be...

Not in the UK you don't, it's a factory option.

Jerry