hey thats quite the trip. ever consider doing your own work ?
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Totally agree with you Impulsive_Duc. However, to be fair, it makes some sense locking out the levels of hacking the immobilizer and the odo total, if it makes any sense at all. May make stealing the bike less interesting.
I will do the maintenance myself and just ignore the silly service indicator (after having tried all possible key long press combinations upon ignition on of course
) Since nobody seems to have hit the 12 k km yet there is still hope...Cheers Albrecht
Oh, I understand restricting access to the immobilizer and odo mileage -- that much is to be expected to prevent fraud. What I meant by "sockmonkey system" is that as opposed to say, BMW who has a fail-safe system, Ducati's was designed to be fail-deadly.
With a BMW you can loose one (or all) of your keys, your code card, and have your locks rust out. BMW keeps absolute records of all key cuts/transponder codes by VIN so you just walk to your local BMW dealer with proof of ownership, and they can cut, program, and mail you a new matched key in a few days for under $50. There are also procedures in place for re-setting odometer mileage or re-pairing used parts.
With a Ducati they use a one-time-pad and don't keep any records at all. If your immobilizer system fails (as is the case here), or lose keys or the 4-digit code card, you typically have to replace the dash, locks, cluster, and ECU -- running $5000 or so. If you lose the code card, you cannot even program new keys and have to clone the existing key. I've seen brand-new 1098's go through 2-3 sets of instruments under warranty. Ducati just writes it off. But owners can't afford to do that. There are also no procedures in place to program replacement dash odometer mileage (save for skilled independent companies) as was the case with the MTS1200 dash recalls. A very clever gentleman actually invented an odometer wind-forward tool to fix his dash.
As for the service resets, older Digitek-based dash Ducatis had a manual override, as you pointed out. You could hold down some combination of buttons and reset the light. They intentionally removed that feature when they switched to MAE Elettronica and other subcontractors. I can refer to some rather expensive third party service tools as proof. Ducati is dancing a fine line around the Magnuson-Moss requirements by not outright stating "you must to go to a Ducati dealer", but instead locking it and saying "only Ducati dealers have the key". That's actually illegal for cars; companies are federally mandated to provide that information for a "nominal fee" via an industry repair program, but bikes haven't caught up yet.
Read up on the "Right to Repair" initiatives and NASTF if you are interested in this stuff.
With a BMW you can loose one (or all) of your keys, your code card, and have your locks rust out. BMW keeps absolute records of all key cuts/transponder codes by VIN so you just walk to your local BMW dealer with proof of ownership, and they can cut, program, and mail you a new matched key in a few days for under $50. There are also procedures in place for re-setting odometer mileage or re-pairing used parts.
With a Ducati they use a one-time-pad and don't keep any records at all. If your immobilizer system fails (as is the case here), or lose keys or the 4-digit code card, you typically have to replace the dash, locks, cluster, and ECU -- running $5000 or so. If you lose the code card, you cannot even program new keys and have to clone the existing key. I've seen brand-new 1098's go through 2-3 sets of instruments under warranty. Ducati just writes it off. But owners can't afford to do that. There are also no procedures in place to program replacement dash odometer mileage (save for skilled independent companies) as was the case with the MTS1200 dash recalls. A very clever gentleman actually invented an odometer wind-forward tool to fix his dash.
As for the service resets, older Digitek-based dash Ducatis had a manual override, as you pointed out. You could hold down some combination of buttons and reset the light. They intentionally removed that feature when they switched to MAE Elettronica and other subcontractors. I can refer to some rather expensive third party service tools as proof. Ducati is dancing a fine line around the Magnuson-Moss requirements by not outright stating "you must to go to a Ducati dealer", but instead locking it and saying "only Ducati dealers have the key". That's actually illegal for cars; companies are federally mandated to provide that information for a "nominal fee" via an industry repair program, but bikes haven't caught up yet.
Read up on the "Right to Repair" initiatives and NASTF if you are interested in this stuff.
Here is the First Service invoice, as you can see, the lions share of the charge is the labor charge. It also looks like they double dipped on the "other charges". Gonna have to ask them about that.
Man, that's a lot of skilled labor for an oil change. They gave you a break on oil and the oil filter price though I bought a gallon of Motul 300V locally and it was over 60 dollars just for that.
I bought a gallon of Motul 300V locally and it was over 60 dollars just for that.
dude, greasing the palms is the whole reason for NOT going to the dealer in the first place. I may as well just go for first service. BTW...like all ya all, Ive had an amazing amount of bikes in the past. I've never worried about the rpm thing. I don't believe any magic happens when they change the oil. Feels like a dealer sale/scare tactic to me. Just speaking form an intense amount of experience...but what do I know. Maybe bike have BLOWN up going beyone the recommended service interval...
MotoChief - Check your owners manual! Max RPM from 600 miles to 1,500 miles is 7,000. Running up to 8,500 RPM as dealer said will possibly void your warranty. And best believe the ECU most likely tracks max engine speed during this time.
I would be surprised if anyone's bike felt different after the first service since it is essentially a glorified oil change as mentioned by my dealer service manager. My service light was rest to 7,500 (+/- 12,000 km) miles at the first service.
That said ride on and enjoy the bike! It's a short jaunt from 600 to the 1,500 point.
Slight treadjack here but thought it would be worth mentioning that this is actually not true. I was told this by every dealer when my wife lost both keys to her Monster 696. I called a guy from the Greater Toronto Area called Keymax (Toronto Locksmith | Locksmith in Toronto | Toronto Car Locksmith | Car Locksmith in Toronto) and the guy literally showed up with his mobile workshop, cut and programmed 2 new keys for her bike and they work 100%. Didn't have to take anything apart. Cost $450 for an hour of his time and 2 keys but was WAY easier than replacing the whole dash.With a Ducati they use a one-time-pad and don't keep any records at all. If your immobilizer system fails (as is the case here), or lose keys or the 4-digit code card, you typically have to replace the dash, locks, cluster, and ECU -- running $5000 or so. If you lose the code card, you cannot even program new keys and have to clone the existing key.
There may or may not be an equivalent tech in your city but in case it ever happens to you with a Duc, don't believe what the dealers say. There is another way.
Oh yeah >
>>>, A few more miles and I can open her up, but that little extra tells a lot and with the nimbleness of this bike. So it was two hours of work and $295 for me. I don't begrudge him the extra half hour, he went through the bike thoroughly. Reset the cables, made sure none were being pinched - moved the handlebars and controls into a better position
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