[project]

Who ever thought a Ducati and a Harley could ever be compared without a healthy dose of psychedelic influences. I believe this will be exactly the case.

Both bikes are aimed at similar crowds, both brands are lifestyle driven and seeking to offer an entry level product to their vast throngs of global supporters and both seem to irk the respective fan bases.

With the Scrambler expected to get the Monster 796's old airhead Twin and the Street with its new Liquid cooled Rev X 750cc mill should be aimed straight at one another when the time comes...

 

[Helios]

Don't you think that the Ducati Scrambler is going to be more expensive than the Harleys. I mean for one its a Ducati, and secondly, the Ducati should have a more powerful engine than the Harleys.

 

[project]

Don't know how you can say either of those without a lick of reliable information? We know the Scrambler will be using the 796cc Monster engine...

 

[Harley Ben]

Who ever thought a Ducati and a Harley could ever be compared without a healthy dose of psychedelic influences. I believe this will be exactly the case.

Both bikes are aimed at similar crowds, both brands are lifestyle driven and seeking to offer an entry level product to their vast throngs of global supporters and both seem to irk the respective fan bases.

With the Scrambler expected to get the Monster 796's old airhead Twin and the Street with its new Liquid cooled Rev X 750cc mill should be aimed straight at one another when the time comes...

Yeah, maybe......but they are unlikely to attract many of the same people, don't u think? Hang on a minute.....(looks in mirror).....forget that!!

I take your points though - relatively entry level; more "lifestyle" than serious motorcycle; Ducatista and die-hard Harley fans appear to be shunning them, etc.

Will they be relatively similar in price, I wonder? I believe Harley are aiming the Street as entry level, whilst I've read the Scrambler is expected to be more of a premium product a la the Sport Classics - maybe the Harleys will end up being cheaper? I will certainly be expecting the Ducati to be of a higher quality, having seen some pictures of the Street's finish - not great. Indeed, from many angles they looks like Yamaha 650 Dragstars! (shudders).

I'm presuming the HP charts above are for both? (I've not actually looked at any performance figures for the Streets, having little interest). However, I don't think Harley have ever made an engine that revs that high?! But.....wasn't the 796 Monster about 87bhp, and the Hypermotard 81bhp? (Maybe they were crank figures). If the Scrambler has similar performance figures (and I **** well hope it does!) then it would stomp all over the Street. The power-to-weight ratio would also far favour the Duke, given HD's penchant for making, how shall we say, 'weighty' machines!

Here's to hoping anyway!
Ben

 

[project]

Yeah, maybe......but they are unlikely to attract many of the same people, don't u think? Hang on a minute.....(looks in mirror).....forget that!!

I take your points though - relatively entry level; more "lifestyle" than serious motorcycle; Ducatista and die-hard Harley fans appear to be shunning them, etc.

Will they be relatively similar in price, I wonder? I believe Harley are aiming the Street as entry level, whilst I've read the Scrambler is expected to be more of a premium product a la the Sport Classics - maybe the Harleys will end up being cheaper? I will certainly be expecting the Ducati to be of a higher quality, having seen some pictures of the Street's finish - not great. Indeed, from many angles they looks like Yamaha 650 Dragstars! (shudders).

I'm presuming the HP charts above are for both? (I've not actually looked at any performance figures for the Streets, having little interest). However, I don't think Harley have ever made an engine that revs that high?! But.....wasn't the 796 Monster about 87bhp, and the Hypermotard 81bhp? (Maybe they were crank figures). If the Scrambler has similar performance figures (and I **** well hope it does!) then it would stomp all over the Street. The power-to-weight ratio would also far favour the Duke, given HD's penchant for making, how shall we say, 'weighty' machines!

Here's to hoping anyway!
Ben

I've heard Ducati is aiming the Scrambler to be sub Monster, a poverty spec Ducati if you will The 796 mill fluctuates in output depending on application, the smaller chart above is the Street 750, the larger is a 796 dyno sheet, I'm not sure from which country however. I know for example that Australia has a learner spec Monster that is severly restricted, this could be that scenario.

The Streets are actually quite light and nimble machines from what the early reports are saying, the platform and Twin are all new! Where i find this interesting is that both brands are attempting to gain non traditional followers, if my reading comprehension is correct I believe they're the same people Like you said, the mirror, it speaks

 

[Harley Ben]

I've heard Ducati is aiming the Scrambler to be sub Monster, a poverty spec Ducati if you will The 796 mill fluctuates in output depending on application, the smaller chart above is the Street 750, the larger is a 796 dyno sheet, I'm not sure from which country however. I know for example that Australia has a learner spec Monster that is severly restricted, this could be that scenario.

The Streets are actually quite light and nimble machines from what the early reports are saying, the platform and Twin are all new! Where i find this interesting is that both brands are attempting to gain non traditional followers, if my reading comprehension is correct I believe they're the same people Like you said, the mirror, it speaks

Nah.....I've read they're keeping the 696 air-cooled Monster as their entry bike, with the Scrambler above that, and then the new water-cooled 821 Monster. I certainly hope this is the case, as the new 821 is nearly £9k!

As for the Streets being light and nimble......that really would be a shock to the system!!

 

[project]

Nah.....I've read they're keeping the 696 air-cooled Monster as their entry bike, with the Scrambler above that, and then the new water-cooled 821 Monster. I certainly hope this is the case, as the new 821 is nearly £9k!

As for the Streets being light and nimble......that really would be a shock to the system!!

premium parts bin, taking a page from BMW?

 

[Harley Ben]

premium parts bin, taking a page from BMW?

Just as long as they don't take their suspension as well, eh?!

Recall: BMW R1200RT Equipped with Dynamic ESA

 

[EZapatta]

First, I am blessed to be able to have a few Ducatis in my stable. I waITED till I was 60 years old to own my first Ducati, now I am playing catch-up.

It is called retirement and a great pension.

I am VERY GRATEFUL !

1098R
Hypermotard 1100S
Hypermotard Evo S
Hypermotard 796
Hypermotard Neiman Marcus #1
Monster S2R
Monster Testeratta

ya, I am VERY LUCKY !

Single, no wives, no kids, just me and the dogs …

they don't mind !

My daily driver (I ride a bike 365 days a year now( is my Yamaha TW200.)

perfect seat
those big fat tires

just a wonderful daily driver !

BUT ,,,the Hypermotard 796 is an awesome engine ! with the CAT removed, it has a nice deep growl. 75 HP is PERFECT !!

just a thought check out the CLARKE plastic tanks, I have two on my TW's. My "vision" is up-swept pipes to get that "scrambler" look, and maybe a plastic tank ??

my second bike back in 1970 was a BSA Firebird Scrambler ..red with upswept pipes.

my "plan" is to sell one of the Ducatis and get a Scrambler, the reason ?

nice comfortable seat
big fact tires
low position, easy control

the speed limit here on the Island is 35 MPH, which actually is really nice, as you are CONSTANTLY shifting, leaning, breaking …sea level to 2000' then back down ..there are only two places to reach hyper speed 50 mph ..

yes I am VERY BLESSED, and every day I am grateful ..

 

[Jerry Winder]

Sounds idyllic and a very nice stable of bikes, not sure I could put up with the speed limits though, I do like to get a move on at times >


Jerry

 

[Slaine]

Put simply, the SCrambler is a Motorbike, the Harley would like to be one>