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Came across a reference to Motoman's engine break-in secrets in another thread on this forum.

Does anyone have a view on his recommendations and/or experience in applying these tips to Ducati engines? I'm of course interested specifically in break-in tips for the Scrambler 803.

I hope Motoman's engineering skills exceed his web publishing skills. To do everyone's eyes a favour, I'm posting sections of his recommendations here as plain text:

" There are a lot of myths about engines...
easy break-in is one of the biggest "


KNOWLEDGE = POWER !!

Warning:
This is a very controversial topic !!

I wrote "Break-In Secrets" after successfully applying this method
to approximately 300 new engines, all without any problems whatsoever.

Links to this article now appear on hundreds of motorsports discussion forums from all over the world. The reason is that over time, large numbers of people have done a direct comparison between my method and the owner's manual method, and the news of their success is spreading rapidly.

The results are always the same... a dramatic increase in power at all RPMs. In addition, many professional mechanics have disassembled engines that have used this method, to find that the condition of the engine is much better than when the owner's manual break-in method has been used.

The thing that makes this page so controversial is that there have been many other break-in articles
written in the past which will contradict what has been written here.

Several factors make the older information on break-in obsolete.

The biggest factor is that engine manufacturers now use a much finer honing pattern in the cylinders than they once did. This in turn changes the break-in requirements, because as you're about to learn, the window of opportunity for achieving an exceptional ring seal is much smaller with
newer engines than it was with the older "rough honed" engines.

In addition, there is a lot less heat build up in the cylinders from ring friction
due to the finer honing pattern used in modern engines.

The other factors that have changed are the vastly improved metal casting and machining
technologies which are now used. This means that the "wearing in" of the new parts
involves significantly less friction and actual wear than it did in the distant past.

With that in mind ...

Welcome to one of the most controversial motorsports pages on the internet !!

How To Break In Your Engine For
More Power & Less Wear !

One of the most critical parts of the engine building process is the break in !!
No matter how well an engine is assembled, it's final power output is all up to you !!

Although the examples shown here are motorcycle engines,
these principles apply to all 4 stroke engines:

Street or Race Motorcycles, Cars, Snowmobiles, Airplanes & yes ...
even Lawn Mowers !!
( regardless of brand, cooling type, or number of cylinders. )

These same break in techniques apply to both steel cylinders and Nikasil, as well as the ceramic
composite cylinders that Yamaha uses in it's motorcycles and snowmobiles.
What's The Best Way To Break-In A New Engine ??
The Short Answer: Run it Hard !

Why ??
Nowadays, the piston ring seal is really what the break in process is all about. Contrary to popular belief, piston rings don't seal the combustion pressure by spring tension. Ring tension is necessary only to "scrape" the oil to prevent it from entering the combustion chamber.

If you think about it, the ring exerts maybe 5-10 lbs of spring tension against the cylinder wall ...
How can such a small amount of spring tension seal against thousands of
PSI (Pounds Per Square Inch) of combustion pressure ??
Of course it can't.

How Do Rings Seal Against Tremendous Combustion Pressure ??

From the actual gas pressure itself !! It passes over the top of the ring, and gets behind it to force it outward against the cylinder wall. The problem is that new rings are far from perfect and they must be worn in quite a bit in order to completely seal all the way around the bore. If the gas pressure is strong enough during the engine's first miles of operation (open that throttle !!!), then the entire ring will wear into
the cylinder surface, to seal the combustion pressure as well as possible.


The Problem With "Easy Break In" ...
The honed crosshatch pattern in the cylinder bore acts like a file to allow the rings to wear. The rings quickly wear down the "peaks" of this roughness, regardless of how hard the engine is run.

There's a very small window of opportunity to get the rings to seal really well ... the first 20 miles !!

If the rings aren't forced against the walls soon enough, they'll use up the roughness before they fully seat. Once that happens there is no solution but to re hone the cylinders, install new rings and start over again.

Fortunately, most new sportbike owners can't resist the urge to "open it up" once or twice,
which is why more engines don't have this problem !!

An additional factor that you may not have realized, is that the person at the dealership who set up your bike probably blasted your brand new bike pretty hard on the "test run". So, without realizing it, that adrenaline crazed set - up mechanic actually did you a huge favor !!


Here's How To Break-In An Engine Properly:
There are 3 ways you can break in an engine:

1) on a dyno
2) on the street, or off road (Motocross or Snowmobile.)
3) on the racetrack

On a Dyno:
Warm the engine up
completely !!

Then, using 4th gear:

Do Three 1/2 Throttle dyno runs from
40% - 60% of your engine's max rpm
Let it Cool Down For About 15 Minutes

Do Three 3/4 Throttle dyno runs from
40% - 80% of your engine's max rpm
Let it Cool Down For About 15 Minutes

Do Three Full Throttle dyno runs from
30% - 100% of your engine's max rpm
Let it Cool Down For About 15 Minutes
Go For It !!

Frequently asked Question:

What's a dyno ??

A dyno is a machine in which the bike is strapped on and power is measured.

It can also be used to break in an engine.

NOTE: If you use a dyno with a brake, it's critical during break - in that you allow the engine to decelerate fully on it's own. (Don't use the dyno brake.) The engine vacuum created during closed throttle deceleration sucks the excess oil and metal off the cylinder walls.

The point of this is to remove the very small (micro) particles of ring and cylinder material which are part of the normal wear during this process. During deceleration, the particles suspended in the oil blow out the exhaust, rather than accumulating in the ring grooves between
the piston and rings. This keeps the rings from wearing too much.

You'll notice that at first the engine "smokes" on decel, this is normal, as the rings haven't sealed yet. When you're doing it right, you'll notice that the smoke goes away after about 7-8 runs.


Important Note:
Many readers have e-mailed to ask about the cool down, and if it
means "heat cycling" the engine.

No, the above "cool down" instructions only apply if you are using a dyno machine to break in your engine. The reason for cool down on a dyno has nothing to do with
"Heat Cycles" !!!

Cool Down on a dyno is important since the cooling fans used at most dyno facilities are too small to equal the amount of air coming into the radiator at actual riding speeds. On a dyno, the water temperature will become high enough to cause it to boil out of the radiator after
about 4 dyno runs. This will happen to a brand new engine just as it will
happen to a very old engine.

(Always allow the engine to cool down after 3 runs whenever you use a dyno.)

If you're breaking your engine in on the street or racetrack, the high speed incoming air will keep the engine temperature in the normal range.
(In other words, you don't have to stop by the side of the road to let your bike cool down.)

What about "heat cycling" the engine ??
There is no need to "heat cycle" a new engine. The term "heat cycle" comes from the idea that the new engine components are being "heat treated" as the engine is run. Heat treating the metal parts is a very different process, and it's already done at the factory before the engines are assembled. The temperatures required for heat treating are much higher than an engine will ever reach during operation.

The idea of breaking the engine in using "heat cycles" is a myth that came from the misunderstanding of the concept of "heat treating".

On the Street:
Warm the engine up completely:
Because of the wind resistance, you don't need to use higher gears like you would on a dyno machine. The main thing is to load the engine by opening the throttle hard in 2nd, 3rd and 4th gear.

Realistically, you won't be able to do full throttle runs even in 2nd gear on most bikes without exceeding 65 mph / 104 kph. The best method is to alternate between short bursts of hard acceleration and deceleration. You don't have to go over 65 mph / 104 kph to properly load the rings. Also, make sure that you're not being followed by another bike or car when you decelerate, most drivers won't expect that you'll suddenly slow down, and we don't want
anyone to get hit from behind !!

The biggest problem with breaking your engine in on the street (besides police) is if you ride the bike on the freeway (too little throttle = not enough pressure on the rings) or if you get stuck in slow city traffic. For the first 200 miles or so, get out into the country where you can vary the speed more
and run it through the gears !

Be Safe On The Street !
Watch your speed ! When you're not used to the handling of a new vehicle, you should accelerate only on the straightaways, then slow down extra early for the turns. Remember that both hard acceleration and hard engine braking (deceleration) are equally important during the break in process.

On the Racetrack:
Warm the engine up completely:
Do one easy lap to warm up your tires. Pit, turn off the bike & check for leaks or
any safety problems. Take a normal 15 minute practice session
and check the water temperature occasionally. The racetrack is the perfect environment to break in an engine !! The combination of acceleration and deceleration is just the ticket for sealing the rings.
Go For It !!

Yeah - But ...
the owner's manual says to break it in easy ...

Notice that this technique isn't "beating" on the engine, but rather taking a purposeful, methodical approach to sealing the rings. The logic to this method is sound. However, some will have a hard time with this approach, since it seems to "go against the grain".

The argument for an easy break-in is usually: "that's what the manual says" ....

Or more specifically: "there are tight parts in the engine and you might do damage or even seize it if you run it hard."

Consider this:
Due to the vastly improved metal casting and machining technologies which are now used, tight parts in new engines are not normal. A manufacturing mistake causing a tight clearance is an extremely rare occurrence these days. But, if there is something wrong with the engine clearances from the factory, no amount of gentle running will fix the problem.

The real reason ???
So why do all the owner's manuals say to take it easy for the first
thousand miles ???

This is a good question ...

Q: What is the most common cause of engine problems ???
A: Failure to: Warm the engine up completely before running it hard !!!

Q: What is the second most common cause of engine problems ???
A: An easy break in !!!

Because, when the rings don't seal well, the blow-by gasses contaminate the oil with acids and other harmful combustion by-products !!

Ironically, an "easy break in" is not at all what it seems. By trying to "protect" the engine, the exact opposite happens, as leaky rings continue to contaminate your engine oil for the rest of the life of your engine !!

What about running it in the garage ???

Maybe you have a new snowmobile and it's not quite winter yet, or a new bike and it's snowing...

The temptation to fire up a new vehicle in the garage just to "hear"
the new engine run can be very strong.

This is the worst thing for a new engine, in fact, my advice is:
don't even start it up until you're ready to warm it up for the first ride.

The reason is that brand-new rings don't seat all the way around the 360 degrees of their circumference. The gas pressure from hard acceleration forces the rings to contact the cylinder around their entire circumference, which is the only way the rings can properly wear into the exact shape of the cylinder to seal the combustion pressure.

Now, imagine if the engine is run in the garage. There is no load on the engine, so the rings are just going up and down "along for the ride". Only a small portion of their surface is actually contacting the cylinder wall. The ring area that does contact the cylinder wears down the roughness of the honing pattern on the cylinder walls. Once the roughness of the cylinder is gone, the rings stop wearing into the cylinder. If this happens before the entire ring has worn into the cylinder and sealed, you will have a slow engine no matter how hard it gets ridden after that point.

The difference between what happens in an engine running in the garage, versus one being ridden is a hard concept to put into written words, so if I may use the sounds that we all can relate to: it's the difference between "zing-zing-zing" and "bwaaaaaaaaaAAAAAA"

During "zing-zing-zing" the rings don't get loaded for more than a split second, whereas during "bwaaaaaAAAAAA", the engine is in 100% ring sealing mode.

Recent Snowmobile Info:

Yamaha's break-in recommendation for the RX1 has been to idle the engine for 15 minutes.
Some owners found that the heat build up from doing this was so extreme,
that their taillight had begun melting (!!!)

Yamaha has since changed the recommendation to three 5 minute idle periods.

Why would Yamaha recommend a break in method which will prevent the rings
from sealing as well as possible ??

This is a good question ...
A Picture's Worth A Thousand Words:




The piston on the right was broken in as
per MotoMan's instructions.

After a full season of hard racing:

- Perfect Ring Seal ...
- No Scuffing ...
- Lots of Trophies !!!


These Honda F3 pistons show
the difference.

Although these pistons came out of engines which were raced for a full season, they weren't set-up with any special clearances or other preparation.

These engines were never worked on prior to being raced. They were totally stock as built by Honda.

The only difference was the break in method they used...

The one on the right was broken in as per MotoMan's instructions.

The one on the left was broken in exactly according to the owner's manual. The resulting leaky rings have allowed pressure to "blow by" down into the crankcase on acceleration, and oil to "suck-up" into the combustion chamber on deceleration.
Needless to say, this bike was slow !!

It's up to you:
The loss in power from an easy break-in and the resulting poor ring seal can be
anywhere from 2% - 10% !!

In other words:
The gain in power from using this break-in method can be anywhere from 2% - 10% !!

Some have felt that the piston which was broken in hard in the above photo is too clean to be true !!
"That piston is impossible, there must be some trick going on."

So, here I present: "The Impossible Piston Museum"

Here are 14 pistons from 14 different bikes, with several manufacturers represented. Some are from streetbikes and some from racebikes.

All of the engines had the correct jetting, the reason some have black carbon deposits is because they were run on "pump gas", which burns dark regardless of the jetting. Whereas the lighter ones were run on oxygenated race fuel, which gives a very light tan to gray color. (Many of the black-carboned pistons were from racebikes.)

Disclaimer:
Absolutely no photo altering or physical cleaning of the pistons is allowed in the museum !!
We run a legit exhibit, and all the artifacts on display are 100% genuine.

Note:
The controversial piston in the above picture is the last one in the middle row,
and it's indicated by the arrows.

You can take a closer look by clicking on the photos to see the full sized versions:





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It looks like there are more than 14 pistons, because the area in the 3 photos overlap.
It's 3 segments of a panorama photo to give you multiple views of this extraordinarily rare collection.

The pistons have been stacked for display purposes only, they aren't going back into engines. Always be super careful when handling pistons, as the aluminum is soft and very easily dented, causing combustion leakage, and friction ... neither of which is good for power.

As in any museum, some of the specimens are better examples than others, but the point is that none have any leakage past the top ring, because they were all broken in by the method described here !
The only impossible thing about these pistons ... is that it's impossible to achieve this result with an easy break-in.

What about street bikes ???

This piston is from a 650 Honda Hawk. The brown discoloration that extends up into the piston pin bore is burnt oil from the extreme heat leaking past all 3 rings !!

The uneven heat leakage was so bad, that it caused the cylinder to distort and become out of round, causing piston to cylinder scuffing in the tight part of the "oval" cylinder.


When I showed the customer his
pistons, he said:

" I don't understand how that happened, I followed the owner's manual break-in instructions 100% !! "

Why would Honda recommend a break in method which will prevent the
rings from sealing as well as possible ??

This is a good question ...

Q: What's the third most common cause of engine problems ???
A: Not changing the oil soon enough after the engine is first run !!

Change Your Oil Right Away !!
The best thing you can do for your engine is to change your oil and filter after the first 20 miles. Most of the wearing in process happens immediately, creating a lot of metal in the oil. Plus, the amount of leftover machining chips and other crud left behind in the manufacturing process is simply amazing !! You want to flush that stuff out before it gets recycled and embedded in the transmission gears, and oil pump etc...

Why do the manufacturers recommend waiting until 600 miles to
flush out all the loose metal ???

This is a good question ...

3 more words on break- in:
NO SYNTHETIC OIL !!

Use Valvoline, Halvoline, or similar 10 w 40 Petroleum Car Oil for at least
2 full days of hard racing or 1,500 miles of street riding / driving.
After that use your favorite brand of oil.

Viewer Questions:

Q: If break- in happens so quickly, why do you recommend using petroleum break- in oil for 1500 miles ??

A: Because while about 80% of the ring sealing takes place in the first hour of running the engine,
the last 20% of the process takes a longer time. Street riding isn't a controlled environment, so most of the mileage may
not be in "ring loading mode". Synthetic oil is so slippery that it actually "arrests" the break in process before the rings can seal completely. I've had a few customers who switched to synthetic oil too soon, and the rings never sealed properly no matter how hard they rode. Taking a new engine apart to re - ring it is the last thing anyone wants to do, so I recommend a lot
of mileage before switching to synthetic. It's really a "better safe than sorry" situation.

Q: My bike comes with synthetic oil from the factory, what should I do ??

A: I recommend changing the factory installed synthetic oil back to petroleum for the break-in period.

Q: What about the main and rod bearings, don't they break - in ??

A: Actually, the operation of plain bearings doesn't involve metal to metal contact !! The shiny spots on used
bearings are caused from their contact with the crankshaft journals during start up after the engine has been sitting a while,
and the excess oil has drained off. This is the main reason for not revving up the engine when it's first started.

The subject of plain bearings is one of the most mysterious aspects of engines, and will be covered in a future issue
of Power News. In it, I'll reveal more information that fully explains the non-contact phenomenon.

Q: Why change the oil at 20 miles ?? Doesn't the oil pick up
screen catch the aluminum bits ???

A: It's true that the screen stops the big pieces, but many areas of the engine aren't within the oil filtration system. The oil that is splashed around will circulate metal debris to the lubricated bearing surfaces. For example, transmission gears and their ball bearings are unprotected by the filtration system, and even the cam chain makes a perfect "conveyer belt" to
bring metal debris up into the cylinder head !!

A close examination of a new engine will reveal lots of aluminum deposits on steel parts. This aluminum coats and tightens
up the clearances of the parts, which creates a loss of power. Most of the time I spend "blueprinting"
an engine is actually inspecting every part and "de-aluminizing" them !!

I prefer to remove the oil pan and clean the aluminum bits out of a new engine out that way, but a $20 oil change
is an easy and inexpensive way to flush the initial particles that come loose in the first miles.

Q: What about motorcycle V.S. car oils ???

A: This is a topic all by itself !! It will be covered in a future issue of Power News.

Q: Will this break - in method cause my engine to wear out faster ???

A: No, in fact, a poor ring seal will allow an increase in the by products of combustion to contaminate the oil.
Acid contamination and oil consumption are the 2 reliability problems which are the result of an
"owner's manual" or "magazine tech article" style easy break-in.

By following the instructions on this page, you'll find that your oil is cleaner and the engine will rev quicker.
Plus, you'll have much better torque and power across the power range from the vastly improved ring seal.

Reliability and Power are 100% connected !!


Sincerely,

Pat McGivern
~MotoMan
 

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Old discussion! I do see these break-in par force methods very critically. I have a lot of experience maintaining bike, car and airplane engines.
What these guys never mention is the enormous amount of localized friction heat that is created during the break-in of rough rings on rough cylinder walls, bearing surfaces etc. This heat needs to have time to dissipate into the walls / cooling oil. This is super critical in an air-cooled engine that runs heads and cylinders relatively hot. If those surfaces glide too fast, you will weld microscopic particles of ring material to the cylinder wall creating compression leaks and wear down spots. If it happens on a macroscopic scale you have a seized piston. That´s the main reason for the rev limits the manufacturers are giving. The entire idea that an engine broken in according to rev limits has a weak compression is nuts IMHO, as is the idea that a little ring blow-by would seriously affect power or torque.
I do respect the rev limits religiously because I have seen this type of damage, but I am avoiding by any means to baby the engine. I do vary loads often and ask for a lot of power intermediately, but stay below the rev limits until it´s done.
Just my two cents...
 

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Thanks Albrecht. The main points I'm interested in from motorman's 'secrets' are the following:

1) Change the engine oil after 20 miles to a mineral oil
2) Do not switch to a full synthetic oil till 1500 miles
3) For the first 200 miles or so, get out into the country where you can vary the speed more
and run it through the gears !
4) The one you commented about - running the engine hard and breaching the rev limits

On the last point, specifically his street break in procedure I took it to mean the following:
Warm up engine gradually. Accelerate and decelerate hard in 2, 3 & 4 gear and it is not necessary to reach 60mph or use all gears while doing so.

Because of the wind resistance, you don't need to use higher gears like you would on a dyno machine. The main thing is to load the engine by opening the throttle hard in 2nd, 3rd and 4th gear.

Realistically, you won't be able to do full throttle runs even in 2nd gear on most bikes without exceeding 65 mph / 104 kph. The best method is to alternate between short bursts of hard acceleration and deceleration. You don't have to go over 65 mph / 104 kph to properly load the rings.
(On scrambler, as you know we can easily hit 50 - 60mph without breaking the rev limit)

So, my question really is - if one keeps within the rev limits, do motoman's suggestions offer any real benefits over the official methods?
 

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Thanks Albrecht. The main points I'm interested in from motorman's 'secrets' are the following:

1) Change the engine oil after 20 miles to a mineral oil
2) Do not switch to a full synthetic oil till 1500 miles
3) For the first 200 miles or so, get out into the country where you can vary the speed more
and run it through the gears !
4) The one you commented about - running the engine hard and breaching the rev limits
Hi Leo,
I agree with everything he says except passing the rev limits. Actually the manual of Ducati advises almost exactly that: Lot´s of load and load changes, best on rural roads, avoid freeways and stop-and-go if you can. Run it hard. But: Respect the rev limits! You can put a lot of torque/load on the engine without over-revving. And the dealer should first-fill with a break-in mineral oil.
Cheers
Albrecht
 

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Hi there

I posted my experience of purchase day in another thread a couple days ago and I am doing the motoman break in as we speak. I've done it on a bike before with no problems. Here is a quote from the post about what I did from the very start.

Hope this helps if your interested.


It all started early yesterday morning and the first thing I did before heading to the dealer was I went down to my local Shell gas station and purchased 8 litres of Shell Advance 4T AX5 mineral oil. You maybe thinking ok so whats going on here. This was the start of the Motoman break in. So I've turned up at the dealer with my new oil and the first thing I said to the salesman was can you get the mechanic to drop the oil on the bike for me....well being Thailand it was as if the record playing over speaker system just suddenly scratched to a stop! Luckily for me my salesman used to work for Kawasaki and knows me from my days with a kwacka and to be honest he didn't expect anything else from me as I'm the expat from **** (mechanic by trade in a past life). So to be fair when we talked to the mechanic and told him I want to get the fully synthetic out from the bike straight away he actually understood what I was doing. The only problem was they were too busy to do it but with a bit of persuasion and the old adage of the kings head he finally gave in and said he can do it. Another bombshell I hit him with was that I would be coming back after 50kms and dropping the oil and filter again lol.
So now for the bike itself, I'm absolutely buzzing with it, what a machine!! Might get a few raised eyebrows on here but because I'm doing the motoman break in she was opened up straight away and she definitely gets there let me tell you. However those of you who are doing it by the book may not realize it is actually limited to about 9000 rpms which I found out when I hit it a few times lol. This is apparently removed with a upgrade at the first service. So she will go all the way then. I actually went back for my 50km oil change and asked him could he take it off now.

Anyway the bike is so easy to ride, I love it and I knew I would even tho I didn't test drive one before I bought it. Big Ducati fan now.

Well that's the positive things I have to say until the stuff I've learned on this forum reared its head again. So I'm still out on my first ride and with my second oil change done I'm in full flow up and down the gears hitting it hard when it's safe to do so.
 

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I will be doing another oil and filter change at the 1000kms first service and will still be using the mineral oil up til around 2000kms then I will switch to the Shell Advance Ultra Synthetic they put in at the factory.

By then I'm confident the bike is broken in.
 

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many thanks. that makes a lot of sense @alepplew .
@Meancatdaddy : thanks for pitching in with your experience. In fact it was your thread where I learnt about motorman. I had not heard about him or his recommendations. Although, in the Royal Enfield community, it is a standard recco. to use only mineral oil initially, but without the proper explanations or benefits of doing so.
 

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This is a very touchy topic!

The scrambler happens to be my 4th duc that Ive had the pleasure of breaking in.

All of them have performed flawlessly to the point that my 998 made more power on the dyno than ANYONE had ever seen (stock).

I would encourage you guys who are curious to see how reciprocating airplane engines are broken in.....
Those guys depend on their engines for their life!

In short, after a rebuild, they tow the planes to the runway, get clearance, then start up, go to power and take off.
Theyre not even allowed to taxi on their own.


The problem with this topic is that it only takes one idiot to do something wrong, then blame the community for it, looking for compensation.

If youre in doubt, then do it the owners manual way and enjoy better than average performance from your engine.

I am doing it my way and Im expecting exceptional performance from my engine.

As always, YMMV

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The problem with this topic is that it only takes one idiot to do something wrong, then blame the community for it, looking for compensation.
I think you are underestimating the idiot here, if they have to mess up something real bad and then ask to be compensated, they would definitely do it while following the owner manual instructions too.
:D

But other than, I take your post to mean that you believe in motoman's recommendations and you followed a similar approach for all your Ducs with great results?
@silverluxe: It's not too late buddy. Go get those jerry cans of mineral oil asap and follow the rest of steps till 2500 miles. :)
 

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So when i first get the bike i should let it warm up for about 20min and then proceed to "go ham" for 20 miles and after that I can take it easier on the bike?
Even tho I am doing the motoman break in I am still treating the 1000km break in suggestion as the target to which I will be confident it's broken in.

I'm planning on doing a long ride on the bike on the motorways where I will be holding the throttle steady, this is not sommething I want to do below 1000km regardless of break in method.

So even tho motoman says "the first 20 miles", I'm still riding hard and will continue up to the first service just to make sure.
 

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SooooOOo whats your secret D to the K?

This is a very touchy topic!

The scrambler happens to be my 4th duc that Ive had the pleasure of breaking in.

All of them have performed flawlessly to the point that my 998 made more power on the dyno than ANYONE had ever seen (stock).

I am doing it my way and Im expecting exceptional performance from my engine.

As always, YMMV

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SooooOOo whats your secret D to the K?
My secret is not too far off from what the OP advised.

Initially lots of 60-70% loading, then spending time between torque peak and hp peak.
Lots of rpm variations, keeping in mind not to spend time at the same rpm.
Also, keep from revving over 80% ish for a couple of hundred miles.

I just go by feel really. I can tell where the engine is happy.
It definitely loosens up.

Im to the point now where Im gonna need a tune since my exhaust breathes so well, that it actually runs better with the db killer in.

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I think you are underestimating the idiot here, if they have to mess up something real bad and then ask to be compensated, they would definitely do it while following the owner manual instructions too.
:D

But other than, I take your post to mean that you believe in motoman's recommendations and you followed a similar approach for all your Ducs with great results?

@silverluxe: It's not too late buddy. Go get those jerry cans of mineral oil asap and follow the rest of steps till 2500 miles. :)

Yes, thats correct.

Even though I limit my rpm for a while, I want to make sure its loaded up nice and good and keep from lugging.

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The other thing to remember about all this, is that youre not only breaking in the rings and the liners....

There are lots of valvetrain components - cams, followers, and lower end bearings also to break in.

And they dont like a lot of rpms in the beginning.

So, use caution, and stay off the rev limiter!
 
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