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I just got off the phone with my dealer and he said that he can't even sell any termi aftermarket exhaust systems let alone install them. He's going to call Ducati and get more detailed info though. Have any Californians out there heard anything different from their dealers?
 

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Pro Italia is in California, and they show Termis on their web site for purchase.
Thanks, I guess I'll just have to purchase myself and have a local shop install and remap. We'll see what the cops have to say since I believe it's recent California law that you aren't even allowed to alter exhaust systems at all after purchase. Oh, how I love/hate California!
 

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Ralph, where are you in California?
The bay area. It's SB435. Here's a quick rundown I found. Read it and weep my friend. As far as the termi on the full throttle goes, it's my understanding that it's only benefit is cosmetic, which admittedly still has value since the original icon muffler is uglier than heck.

Starting the first of this year, police in California officially have the authority to ticket motorcyclists who ride motorcycles with non-compliant exhaust systems under SB435, the Motorcycle Anti-Tampering Act.

Signed in 2010, this new motorcycle exhaust law isn't the first to hit the California law books. SB435 is a law meant to support already existing motorcycle exhaust restrictions by allowing police to ticket motorcycles that are parked, ridden or used for any other matter that have been manufactured after January 1, 2013 and have an aftermarket exhaust system or any motorcycle that has a motorcycle exhaust system manufactured after January 1, 2013 that does not display a label directly on the exhaust system showing that it adheres to previously instated noise emission standards.
 

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Ralph:

They were talking about any system that removed the cat. I am sure that can install any that leaves the cat in place or has an alternative cat replacement. The systems without cats are not strictly legal.
Even with a cat, it's my understanding that the muffler is required to have an EPA certification label that shows it meets noise level requirements.
 

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I noticed that the Termi's listed on Pro Italia have an "exhaust notice" listed with each part. Follow the link below and then click the exhaust notice below the pic to read about it.
Termignoni Ducati Scrambler Racing Slip-on Exhaust: 96480681A
Here is notice from website for your immediate reference.

EXHAUST NOTICE

The California Air Resources Board (CARB) has imposed regulations surrounding sales and installation of non-original equipment exhausts by dealers in the state of California. We are based in California so we must adhere to these regulations. In simple terms we can't supply or install any exhaust to a customer in California that is non-CARB approved for use on the street. We can still ship exhausts outside of the state of California where this regulation doesn't exist or in the state of California if the exhaust will be used off-road such as on the racetrack.

IS THIS EXHAUST CARB COMPLIANT?

NO, it is not. If you purchase this exhaust and have it shipped to the state of California you are confirming it is for off-road use only. We may require a signed affidavit stating that fact. We currently require this with all in store exhaust sales.

BRANDS THAT CAN'T BE SHIPPED TO CALIFORNIA

Some manufacturers (well, just one for now) won't ship exhausts to dealers or customers located in the state of California. If you are in California and want an exhaust from a brand listed below we're sorry, but it isn't possible through us. We'll keep the list below up to date:

Akrapovic (unless supplied by Ducati Performance)
 

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I noticed that the Termi's listed on Pro Italia have an "exhaust notice" listed with each part. Follow the link below and then click the exhaust notice below the pic to read about it.
Termignoni Ducati Scrambler Racing Slip-on Exhaust: 96480681A
Good eye sir. Unfortunately it's not good news. The termignoni slip-on is not legal in California and Akrapovic won't ship any exhausts to California, even if you say it is for off-road only use. That definitely puts a damper on things.

I just read that California saw a "70 percent reduction in sales" in 2012 and that CARB had a lot to do with it. They are doing a good job of pushing me in that direction.
 

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Thanks Sandy.....beat me by one minute.

Maybe I need to move to India. How are the emission regulations there?
@ ralph

Emissions are not strict here,Lots of local after market exhausts available here along with Akrapovic,Twobrothers,Yoshimura,Arrow etc.
Here are many local workshops who produce exhausts for Harley-Davidson, Royal Enfield 350cc and 500cc and for Japanese bikes right from 100cc and above(And manufacture Free flow exhaust for cars too). In metro cities like Mumbai, there is restriction on Free Flow exhausts for car (Loud exhaust note). And at other cities no one will ask you about emission.

So we can enjoy any exhaust;).
 

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This seems odd since the full throttle comes with the termi. I can't imagine any CA shop refusing to install a termi.

Anyone have a link to this recent CA law you mention?
The Termi can on the Full Throttle is standard item and as such will have to conform to all local regulations and emission laws. The other Termi's are both after market items and therefore don't have to conform. In the UK they have to be stamped 'not for road use', which mine is. I don't know the regs globally but pretty much everywhere these days has noise and emission laws.

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The bay area. It's SB435. Here's a quick rundown I found. Read it and weep my friend. As far as the termi on the full throttle goes, it's my understanding that it's only benefit is cosmetic, which admittedly still has value since the original icon muffler is uglier than heck.

Yikes I had not heard of this at all until this forum thread. I am reading and weeping. So will they be selling the termi from the full throttle as an after market exhaust? And will it have less sound and performance?

And in time will there be more CA compliant after market exhausts available? And does that mean they will most likely sound like the stock exhaust but cosmetically look different only?

I'm a bit confused and disillusioned.
 

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There is nothing unusual about exhausts for the scrambler versus other bikes. Basically all bikes sold in United States must have an approved exhaust which is sound dampened to an acceptable level and with a catalytic converter for emissions control.The motorcycle dealer, under law, cannot sell you a new motorcycle that does not come with a legal exhaust system.


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